e2: Tom Schwans

World, please meet my longtime friend Tom Schwans.  Tom and I went to college together. One of the great gifts you discover as you get older is that the people  who knew you when you were young, naive (maybe just I was naive?) and practicing wing spreading have a sacred position in your life. They experienced your first forays into adulthood with you. They had front row seats to watching, and often participating in, the optimism, the despair, the fear, the youthful exuberance, the failures, the successes and everything else. And in looking back, you can see they played a much  larger role in helping to mold and shape you than you can ever understand in the moment. Tom fits squarely into that position. I hope you'll take a listen to our conversation. It's far reaching, flits here and there and is a little bit rambling--not unlike my self proclaimed honey bee approach to life. But I've discovered that if you allow your mind (and your conversations) to wander off to where it wants to go, you find the best, most unexpected things. Visit my blog extraordinaryextraordinary.com to learn more about Tom and many of the other things we talked about in our conversation. "The Fox and the Phoenix" by Quinn Del Val. Produced by Danica McDonald. Recorded April 7, 2020.