DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Sanctions Are WMDs. Interview with Francisco Rodríguez”
DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Un pódcast de Ted Rall and John Kiriakou

On the “DeProgram show” with political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, we interview Francisco Rodríguez, a distinguished economist and senior research fellow at the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR). Rodríguez, a Venezuelan opposition economist and Rice Family Professor at the University of Denver’s Josef Korbel School, brings unparalleled expertise from his roles as head of the Venezuelan National Assembly’s economic advisory (2000–2004), chief Andean economist at Bank of America (2011–2016), and research team leader for UN Human Development Reports (2008–2011). His frequent contributions to outlets like the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, and The New York Times cement his authority on global economic policy. We dive into Rodríguez’s groundbreaking Financial Times op-ed, coauthored with CEPR’s Mark Weisbrot, based on their Lancet Global Health study estimating that U.S.-led sanctions cause 564,000 excess deaths annually, particularly among children under five, with an 8% mortality spike in affected nations. Rodríguez calls these sanctions an “economic weapon of mass destruction,” a view echoed by Rep. Ilhan Omar’s fiery denouncement at the Pan American Congress in Mexico City last week, where she condemned their humanitarian toll. Weisbrot’s Los Angeles Times op-ed underscores the “invisible” devastation, arguing sanctions’ political unsustainability once exposed. Also: • No U.S. Troops to Ukraine: Trump assures Fox News that U.S. troops won’t join an Ukraine peacekeeping force, saying Europeans will take point. Trump wants Zelensky to meet Putin summit, and is offering to mediate. Zelensky seeks U.S. weapons and intelligence. • Will Israel Step Up?: Israel faces a Friday deadline for a Hamas-accepted ceasefire, which would release all 20 remaining hostages for 150 Palestinian prisoners in a 60-day truce. Starvation is getting even worse under Israel’s aid blockade, as protests and international pressure mount. Qatar and Egypt broker demilitarization talks. • Eric Lendrum’s “Hate Speech”: Trump DHS aide Eric Lendrum’s 2023 X posts and podcast endorse the “great replacement” theory and anti-LGBTQ+ slurs, comparing conservatives to enslaved people and Holocaust victims. His call for violence against Gaza protesters draws condemnation. • Andrew Cuomo Asks Trump For Help: At a Hamptons fundraiser, a shameless Cuomo courts Trump’s support to defeat democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani, asking the prez to sideline the GOP’s Curtis Sliwa. Mamdani’s campaign accuses Cuomo of election-rigging. Eric Adams slams Cuomo’s tactics, citing his primary loss. • New Zealand Soldier Convicted of Espionage: A New Zealand soldier, convicted for offering military secrets and possessing Christchurch mosque shooting material, faces sentencing. Linked to extremist groups, he was caught by an undercover officer. The case marks New Zealand’s first spying conviction.