075: Mark Richardson and Marcus Smith on drumming performance

This week we have two guests, Mark Richardson and Marcus Smith. Mark Richardson is the drummer for the band Skunk Anansie, a band that were figureheads of the Britrock explosion in the mid-nineties, with defining songs Weak and Hedonism and remain a highly influential band 25 years since they were formed. Dr Marcus Smith is Reader in Sport and Exercise Physiology at the University of Chichester, with background of supporting elite athletes, especially boxers to Olympic success but Marcus loves his music too and as you’ll hear he became curious about how hard drummers work while on stage. This led to him contacting Clem Burke the drummer of Blondie and from there a fascinating project was struck up involving quantification of the physiological demand of performing Their work began to gain momentum and the Clem Burke Drumming Project was founded. And Mark Richardson got involved in the project because in music circles he was known as one of the most ferocious drummers about. In the conversation, Mark describes his early career, how he found drumming as an outlet, how exploring his own performance with Marcus has opened up his thinking and practice to a much healthier, sustainable way of approaching the demands of performing on stage or touring. They also both share some wonderful spin-offs that the project has had in supporting children with autism too (see the links below). Make sure you listen right to the end of the episode where you can listen to Mark performing the drumming for "Tear the place up" (courtesy of Skunk Anansie and reproduced with permission)   This episode is sponsored by Junius, a multi-award winning, health food + drinks company. Junius have made a superb range of plant-based juices. We’ve partnered with Junius so that you can benefit from a 10% discount on your first order from a range of themed boxes of 7 juices. When you go to the checkout at wearejunius.com/shop  make sure you enter the exclusive code Champions10. (Disclosure: Affiliate links are used for each product that we are an affiliate of, which means that if you click that link and subsequently make a purchase, we will earn a commission. You pay nothing extra; any commission we earn comes at no additional cost to you.)   Show notes Drawing comparisons between performers and understanding of what is performance Marcus discusses how he became interested in music; Blondie & Clem Burke the drummer. PhD with Olympic boxers and sport science. Heart rate data collection of Clem drumming Mark - the baddest hardest hitting rock drummer Marcus discusses why he was fascinated by drummers and specifically fatigue Mark discussed his childhood and how physical activity helped him not misbehave Alcoholism, AA meetings and therapy, learning to get fit and stay healthy The similarities between Premier League football players and drummer The dichotomy between the perception a=of a having a dream job and the reality of the demands The need to look after self pre-tour, including fitness, food and mentally Marcus discussed the importance of asking questions and the person above the numbers Learning to accept when ‘good enough’ The importance of collaboration and surrounding yourself with people more intelligent than you Communication through movement and sound reaching out to kids with autism and the benefits of drumming Outro of Mark playing “Tear the place up” (courtesy of Skunk Anansie and reproduced with permission)   Links If you’re ambitious to work in sports performance, and you realise that there’s no golden ticket to the chocolate factory – that you have to learn and develop and build a network of collaborators to get there – then sign up for our Graduate Membership today – go to http://supportingchampions.co.uk/membership/ and enrol. We’ll look forward to connecting with you there. Connect with Marcus on Twitter on https://twitter.com/MarcusSmith78 Mark on Twitter https://twitter.com/markskunkanansi https://clemburkedrummingproject.org/ Steve In